Yo what's gourmet on guys it's Mario and Sonic fanboy and today we're going to be doing another debunk which I've been wanting to do for a year now and that is Archie Sonic VS Wally West Death Battle. The reason why I didn't do this was because I didn't have enough information for both characters to do this and now that I do I will be explaining why Archie Sonic beats Wally as they downplayed the shit out of him. I don't think I've seen a character get downplayed this much since Mario VS Sonic 2018. So without further a do let's get into the debunk

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So the fist claim we have here is "Sonic, in his base form, really didn't stand a chance against Wally. Sure, he did seem to survive being launched 849,000 lightyears into an alien planet by a black hole imploding. However, considering he's been knocked out by far less, black holes are already imploding stars, and it seems some snow also inexplicably survived the trip, it's probably more likely the black hole acted as a sort of wormhole in its last moments, and sent Sonic directly there. But if we assume Sonic was indeed blasted through space, a black hole's last moment usually results in an abrupt detonation equivalent to five trillion tons of TNT. Impressive, but the Infinite Mass Punch could still deliver over two quadrillion times more power." Okay this is wrong for many reasons as they basically put Sonic's base form around Star to solar system level when in reality he should be far above this. Sonic has taken doesn't of cosmic level beings before who at best would be multiversal (that's a lowball by the way) including Master Mogul who erased millions of multiverses in every zone and reality with his bare hands.

And Sonic has been shown to hold his own against and even tank attacks from him

And keep in mind that in the Archie Sonic verse the cosmology is HUGE there are around infinite timelines infinite dimensions, infinite realities, Hell there are even outer layers of said dimensions, timelines, realities, and multiverses. So saying that Sonic's base form doesn't stand a chance against Wally is a flat out lie as Sonic battled and took hits from a being who destroyed MILLIONS of  multiverse zones at the lowest it's multiversal but that's just lowballing on purpose as the feat is even more powerful than that (I'd say outerversal to be consistent) plus that whole black hole feat was able to rupture the space time continuum than a white dwarf star anyway so there for not only does Sonic clearly stand a chance against Wally and tanks his Infinite Mass Punch but he'll outright mop the floor with him and that's not even getting into his Super forms but despite that Sonic still loses to Wally.

Moving on to the next point we have "Super and Ultra Sonic were, essentially, batteries of unlimited kinetic energy Wally could pull from. Even with their speeds being incalculable, this meant Wally could ensure he was faster. Plus, Wally performed a lot more of those incalculable speed feats than Sonic ever did, so he technically held an experience advantage in that field." The problem is that Wally doesn't have the energy Sonic has as it's not the same energy as the Speed Force and even if it was anything Wally could do Sonic can do to so even if Wally can absorb and steal Sonic's speed Sonic can do the same thing in his Ultra form or he could just wish he has his speed back and make himself much faster either way Wally doesn't have the advantage in that category I'll give him credit for experience but surely not speed even if they are similar.

The next point is that "Chaos wish power would be an insta-win against basically anybody, but Chaos magic uses physical energy, and guess what? Wally could phase through reality-warping energy." Okay the thing is that Chaos Energy doesn't relay on physical abilities especially since Sonic's used them to travel through time, dimensions, basically almost anything Wally does. And also they said that the DC multiverse is larger than the Archie Sonic verse but based on Sonic's cosmology it's actually the other way around sure both have similar outer layers and infinite dimensions, timelines, and realities but the DC verse has one multiverse while Sonic has more multiverses as shown earlier. Plus Sonic has no problem with the 4th Dimension or 4D something that Flashes struggle with.

The next point is that "Even though he had no way to take down Sonic's super forms, Wally has proven capable of effortlessly moving and vibrating at top speeds for days on end. So, it wasn't too hard for him to just wait out the super forms and strike at the first good opportunity." In Sonic's analysis they said that Sonic's super forms last for about an hour but that's not true as Super forms shown in Sonic advance can last for days.

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And yes this is appropriate since Sonic's adventures in the Archie comics are somewhat the same as the games.

Another point "And when it came to Ultra Sonic's ability to alter atomic structures, Wally possessed perfect control over his own individual molecules." Except it only works on cells and is limited to everything else so if for example he gets his arm chopped off he can't fix that.

And the next point "But hey, Sonic's the embodiment of Chaos. Fate automatically bends to him, or whatever. Except, Wally has broken fate a few times himself, the best example being when he ran to the end of reality and forced the concept of death itself to die." I agree Wally could break fate despite Sonic being the embodiment of chaos but the only reason why he did it to Black Flash was because he used the Speed Force to do it and Sonic is obviously not going to let Wally pull him into the speed force.

And finally this "And remember, when Wally raced Barry, their speed almost tore apart the multiverse." Except that wasn't entirely Barry and Wally's doing it was the Speed Force.

And even if we say it was their doing that's still nothing in comparison to what Sonic can do one of the best examples is when Super Sonic and Super Mega Man used the Chaos Energy to not only counter the Super Genesis Wave but they also reset it and keep in mind giving the outer layers of each infinite multiverse in Archie Sonic that would be at least omniversal levels of power which is insane and that was when Sonic was Super Sonic so we can imagine how strong Ultra Sonic would be. Wally or any other Flash has never been shown anywhere close to that power at best their multiversal but that's just about it as they've gotten their asses kicked by beings much more powerful and faster than them before so Sonic is no exception.

In conclusion Archie Sonic would stomp Wally and any other Flash character Hell even 90% of Marvel and DC. This is just shows how op Archie Sonic is and it is a real shame that he got lowballed to oblivion. But I'm surprised at all especially since there's Death Battle fans who will eat up everything they said. But anyways guys that's it for the debunk thanks so much for reading I know I said I'm done with Death Battle but if there's any fights that they do that you want me to see debunk just let me know and I'll do it but until then I'll see you all next time. Peace.